Don't wanna sound rude, but ...
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My rants

Please use the talk section if you must answer to this. But I don't intend to get answers to these statements!

A word to the public

Today I had to deal with what I call politics.. and I don't like it, I have better to do, my skills should be used for the things only I can provide, aside the fact that I have to admit that I am RL sick which exactly came from such dealings. I don't want to hear any apologies about that, as I mentioned it so it is clear that I, like you all, am a human being with very real RL challenges. Bringing RP related discussions and opinions into an encyclopedic system isn't helping me or the project I intended (with free neutral information for all) at all. There are people (including me) out there who don't need or want to know that kind of information which seems to be only important for few. I decided that I will use the power that I have to decide what is right. Hopefully in the thought of the most. As the ones involved in this discussions are reading this page, I won't (for now) state what I also decided to settle this on another place. But there will be Guidelines or a Policy for what I decided.

User/Character/Group (and their Talk) Pages

Each user owns his characters page (respective a group owns their group page), but other users can open discussion on the respective talk pages for things which are critical. If the owner wants to delete facts, (s)he is allowed to do so. Reality is relative. Everybody lives in her/his own reality bubble. So.. No Discussion, no trouble (for me, I hope). If historical pages will cluttered up with critcal opinions without citing the source, it will be deleted. Avoid the use of weasel words.

See Specific Case Editing Guidelines for the full set of rules! Effective Immediately. Period.

--marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 02:23, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

With a little help of my friends - A letter to the public pt.II

I don't want to talk to a lawyer to make policies for every aspect of this encyclopedic project. And I don't want you to fight over things I decided, decissions mainly made to make it easy for you helping to fill this place without you fighting. If you fight, this means I decided something wrong. And I don't want that either. Most of the time I am glad someone does something not perfect, better than I have to do it myself perfectly (which I sometimes don't know what that means before I try) and it might never happen because of the lack of time or energy. I am perfectionist, and very visual, though, which means that I often have specific ideas how I want things to be done. I have to learn, too. I remember the first year, the growing went at slow pace. I have to thank you all for helping! You know each other from playing characters, that might not always be easy to drop that off when thinking about posting information on this wiki without stepping on each others feet. But remember that behind this characters are very real people with very real challenges in life. It's not your character who edits the posts. It's you! And here I thank you for understanding! --Marco aka. marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 15:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Rant of the week

Sysops & Article Protection

This is about the ongoing behaviour of this wikis Sysops and the protection of pages. Since I had a reason to choose the wiki software for that project, what sense would it make to protect more and more pages? It's a challenge for you to write the pages in a way most people agree with. This prevents stories getting told in just the way the most busy authors write (or those who came first). Those who do not agree have to get informed and discussed with. Those who vandalize pages (repeatedly editing aka. edit warring; see below) will be warned and blocked out of the wiki... BY ME. But the pages on this book will never be closed (There will be exceptions of course). If we did, how could it get improved? No offense, but no... I am overruling the discussions about that topic. Also, you admins/sysops can't just protect pages on your own will which are not within your userspace. That's not how this works. --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 20:45, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Discussions

I am really thinking how I have to adjust my expectations on you people (humans! HUMANS!) so that I am not disappointed (on myself). You keep on fighting. Wow. I am not using names... but some of you really need to think that if you keep disrespecting yourselves... that you are disrespecting my wish of peace on that project. I don't care about how much support you gave, or in what way you did when you are behaving like this. I am trying not to boss (big cheesing) around, because I don't really want that. But it seems to be needed. Is that really too much to ask for to stay polite? Re-thinking your emotions before answering on a emotional post, might help. If you get emotional and attacking (fighting back) you do exactly the same mistake as the one you are trying to answer to. And.. being an sysop here, means only that I trusted you being able to act in my best intentions. If I can't get you to understand that, and you aren't able to help me in this way... (I am not meaning to threat here, but I think you catch my point). I am trying to be polite. I am making a lot of mistakes, too. I know that. But I am always meaning good, with my deepest respect and gratitude. See, I am trying not to give any of you the feeling that I have more power on the wiki than you, which I of course have. I am trying to help you, helping me. But I am also helping you, helping yourself. I am not so much interested in the information itself. I am more interested to manage this project somehow, so you finally have something you all like and have a use for. Not just one clan or a few clans you might think I am sympathizing with (which I do not). And I try to respect you people, I don't relate to your characters when communication in this wiki project. Because I talk with you people. Those who press the "Save page"-Button. Fangs! --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 20:45, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

The small difference between editing and edit warring

Or.. Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Editing A Wiki Article, But Were Afraid to Ask

This, of course, applies to articles which do not belong to someone. Information about ownership of articles found here. I spent my time writing it for you, please spent yours to read it and never ask me again about that topic :).

1. As long as you agree with an article, you can go ahead and just add information to it. That easy. Yay!
2. If you find a typo or can format it so it looks better, you can do that too. You do not have to ask everyone. Coolio!
3. If you aren't quite sure or feel unsafe because the wiki code stuff intimidates you, you ask the editor or one of those before (If you use the articles history you can find out exactly who did that particular change. You can do that either on the articles discussion page, which you will find that tab on top of the article where it says discussion, or on the authors userpage discussion page. Most users watch their own user page and the article pages they have edited.)
4. This also applies, of course, if you find that you have a different opinion on something. But then you must discuss it. You can (or should I say must?) not just go ahead and start an edit war.

Ask yourself, will this lead to an end an outside reader (just think of me) will be pleased? That is not problem solving, it is wasting everyones energy which, speaking for myself, I lack off and can't believe some still do over so little things. Time on earth is precious and some people out there are lucky they have a life not have to think of most of the time.
Come on... Live a life worth remembering.
Fangs for your time,
marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 15:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Ask cliff

Featured Article

I have been thinking (Since the discussion on the example page) that now that we have enough pages and a vote template, is it too early to do a featured article? We could make up a nomination template. Do you think it's too early for that? --Archangel ^{Talk * Welcome * Support} 23:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Right now I am dealing with rules. --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 23:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Encyclopedia vs. Facebook

(copied from Moirai's talk page)

Just a reminder. Not everyone is RP this or RP enough or interested to know everything or does need to know everything to have fun or do the quests. I played the game without doing the quests for the first maybe 2 years. I thought it would be impossible to reach 40K BP to reach the highest rank (then). Now I'd love to see more tasks in the game. Maybe we should make a game suggestions page. :) But then again, who reads it?

"There are many..." is exactly like "Some people say...". This is a weasel word example.

I am wondering about the quality, style and consistency. Seriously, what do you guys want? Do you want a encyclopedia or do you want each another facebookpages? --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 13:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I've moved this here because I think this is an important topic for discusssion. The direction of this wiki will affect how we do things and ultimately decide what anyone uses this wiki for. Also, I want to stress that what I say in this is my own personal vision and will probably not match the vision of anyone reading this, at least not exactly, so I want it understood that I'm only talking about my personal perspective, and I hope that others will add their unique perspectives to this discussion as well, and together, somewhere in the middle, we will all be 90% happy, lol.

1. I personally have a strong slant toward information. Good information, bad information, ALL information. I want to know all about the Game Mechanics, I want to know all about the little nooks and crannies of the city. I want to know it all. I think the wiki should have a strong encyclopedic slant. I don't think we are looking for a dry boring encyclopedia though. I think a sprinkle or two of artistic license is a very good thing. So a few weasle words here and there don't hurt. The telling of individual vampire stories in a favorable light doesn't hurt either. As long as what is told is basically the truth, I have no problem with it. As long as the info isn't shameless self-promotion, outright lies, or propaganda, I'll probably like it.
2. I think the wiki should be more like an encyclopedia, but a fun one, with interesting stories, colorful descriptions, being a little fast and loose with wording is ok with me so long as the overall message is basically true. If the character pages are a little face-bookish, I'm even ok with that. I can tolerate that because it's obvious to me that's what most people seem to want, and I'm all about group satisfaction. History and Glossery items should be more accurate, but still fun to read.
3. Again, this is all just my personal opinion, and I hope to hear from others too, because this subject *IS* very important, as it will shape the future of this wiki. --Archangel ^{Talk * Welcome * Support} 19:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

1. About the weasel words... If you avoid them, the stories will have a lack of personality, right, but it won't get that much fights, that already has been. I mean, you can't fight over facts that are cited. I don't want to waste my time for that. I might have less time in the future. Then this needs to work out.
2. I have to remind all who read this, this project isn't just another forum. It has the purpose of an encyclopedia. I know there were already attempts by others to build a wiki about this, which weren't exactly successful. And for the RP there are dozends (!) of forums out there. This is meant as a neutral place, not just one clan. If this is successful, then because I am neutral and you accepting it. I add a little of tech magic and directing in the background... the big chunk of work is done by you. I am just the Big Cheese stinking in the background, not taking myself too seriously. You shouldn't either.
3. @Arch: You add a lot of information, which might (and does) let others think you want to change the direction of this wiki. Not everyone is your opinion. Again, this is no rant against you. I am thinking a lot about the direction and talk to people. I will have to decide which direction this is going to go. Maybe dividing character/group pages is a solution. A facts part OOC (what a user sees if watching the profile in "the dark allyway"), which is undisputable, and a IC part. @All you others out there: You can't complain if the direction of this wiki seems to have gone in a direction you might not like. It's up to you to discuss with and change it. Just complaining (especially via mail or Y!M) is not creative. Post your opinion on the site. We will laugh together and then I will tell you why this can't be ;) ... seriously... Others might agree with you. --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 19:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

...or better yet, contribute! There's no better way to affect the wiki than to participate! :) --Archangel ^{Talk * Welcome * Support} 19:42, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok How I see this wiki -- I see the vampire character pages as written as autobiographies or even biographies, in that the truth is placed with possibly some bias from the player of the character but not written with so much bias and non neutral works to be more fiction than truth. Basically the vampire pages are the own personal works of the player behind the character with imput from the city at large to help make the vampire pages concur with city history in a biographical form. Some of the information can be in rp form as long as it is true.

Vampire pages where the character has been sold -- the previous owners name - as known in the game- should be put in paranthesis- to denote what actions that character did with which owner to help stop the hate that some have over a characters actions based on one owner, and only if the change in ownership is provable.

The rest of the pages -- lexicon, vocab pages, lair pages, clan pages -- should be factual in an encyclopedia way. Simple, understandable, truthful.

Clan pages should be Low on rp, facts only. Leaders, founders, time in city and so forth.

User pages -- are truthful and with whatever true information the player wishs all to know about themselves. That they feel safe to share.

I apologize if that was too long but there is my take on how this wiki should be. :) --Tejas^Talk 19:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

The wiki pages on Hellion's Alehouse will be factual, as they have always been. If you change the facts of the entry then please give yourself credit as Researcher <your name>. If you for one minute think that your change will cause any problems then post it on the talk page first and then all of the wiki editors can discuss it and agree on it first. --Vuk 13:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

City building

Does this wiki own a city square? --Archangel ^{Talk * Welcome * Support} 17:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Short answer: No. --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 18:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

"No" would have been an even shorter answer, lol. I heard, apparently from an unreliable source whom I will later smack, that we had one. After frustrating myself looking for it, or a at least a reference to it, I decided to actually ask. I should have done it in the first place because now I feel like an idiot. :) --Archangel ^{Talk * Welcome * Support} 02:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I didn't wanted it to sound rude :)

And the latter, I do not get what you are trying to say. There is an unreliable source, who likes to get smacked, and there might have been or is a wiki place in the city? *verwirrt* --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 04:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

My humble apologies, the problem is with my dry sense of humor, sometimes it is too subtle. You were not rude. I felt like an idiot because I had spent so much time looking for something that didn't exist, and not asking you sooner. I felt like smacking the person who gave me the bad information. I was feeling frustrated and was trying to cover it with humor. Ich hoffe, dass Sie mehr verwirrt werden nicht. :) --Archangel ^{Talk * Welcome * Support} 18:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

The last sentence sounded a bit yoda-ish, but offended you not must be! Your german is very good, still. And very polite. Honestly, I thought about how cool it would be to name a pub "The Orion" or to rename the pub where cliff is hanging around the most time, "The Moon" into "The Moon and Orion" (as it would be a shame to erase such a cool name as "The Moon" from the map). "Orion" is an instrumental song which the original Cliff Burton was famous for playing on bass. It was his funeral song in 1986. But why The Moon? The Moon is just my favourite place on the map, so far... --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 04:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! I was a little worried about that one. Someday I will speak German as well as you speak English! Yes, let's get a tavern or something, and wasn't "The Moon Over Orion" a song from the original StarTrek series? I'll have to look that one up, but I think it was. (I'm a big StarTrek fan) What does it cost for a Tavern anyway? Can we have it serve special drinks? --Archangel ^{Talk * Welcome * Support} 17:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

PS. Song was "Moon Over Rigel VII" (Home of the green Orion slave women) --Archangel ^{Talk * Welcome * Support} 17:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I am a big Trekkie myself. But it seems that you top me by far. And of course I know these Orion gals. Also, for a music geek that I am, good to know about that song. That would be an awesome (no, AWESOME) name for a pub, though it misses the reference to cliffburton. "The Moon Over Orion" sounds like a good compromise if one had to be made. About the tavern and what to do, cost, or possibility... I don't have a clue. If there are costs involved, in my current monetary situation (no pity, not asking for anything) I rather pay to keep my services up, than paying for something that would just be nice to have. But thanks for even thinking about something like that. And sometimes I am wondering if you all are just too lazy (you bastards) or too polite (you good people). :) --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 22:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

To change a name of a pub cost 50.00 USD's ... also it cant be a pub that has already been renamed... it has to have the original name that RB gave it many moons ago lol - also the name cannot reference any vampire, so as cool as it would be to have Cliff Burton's Moon and Orion... RB just wouldnt go for it --Miranda Dawn 01:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Addition to my last words, I was going to say, but was too tired to check my words:

And sometimes I am wondering if you all are just too lazy (you bastards) or too polite (you good people) to correct my english when it doesn't make any sense. :) --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 15:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The sad fact is that your English is better than most native speakers. Because I'm a polyglot, and understand the value of the input, I try to fine tune your English when I see need, but in all seriousness I have heard congressmen and read newspapers with glaring errors much more serious than anything I've ever seen from you. Remember that when I first read your writings, I thought you were a native speaker from your use of English. --Archangel ^{Talk * Welcome * Support} 21:45, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Sharon, for explaining in detail. I took the liberty and put that info into the article pub. About the name, I wouldn't be eager to have cliffburton as part of a pubs name. ""The Orion"", "The Moon Over Orion", "The Moon and Orion", "The Moon Over Rigel VII" are just a few examples what are names that I would choose from.

Another cool thing would be, if I had the code in my hands, I would make it serve True Blood :P --marco / cliffburton ^{Let's TALK} 15:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)