Category talk:Shops

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Secret shop

There is a secret shop on some fixed location (?) that sells special items. Does anyone remember where it is? Lebaoth 17:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

The Cloister of Secrets
At Gloom and 1st Fixed
Cliff Burton Marco 23:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Fantastic, I was only nine moves away from it. :D Thanks for the info, I'm off to do some edits. Lebaoth 16:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Help?

Does anyone have a list of Pawn Shop prices for things? -- Virgo shelly 06:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

It is shown on the Items page. Though prices should be listed on their according shop categories. --Cliff Burton Marco 05:28, 2 June 2011 (CEST)

New picture for pawn shop

It should show how it looks if something can be sold. I removed the old one for the lack on this matter. --Cliff Burton Marco 05:25, 2 June 2011 (CEST)

Sub categories

Someone wants (trying psychology) to create and add the shops into their categories. Fangs. --Cliff Burton Marco 05:28, 2 June 2011 (CEST)

Long article

After listing shops as well as item lists for the various types of shops, this article became rather long. Perhaps it can be shortened if the item-lists (potions, scrolls, gifts, specials) were moved to their respective article. Will do this later. --deCarnacT·C 12:14, 20 March 2012 (CET)

Done. --deCarnacT·C 15:55, 20 March 2012 (CET)
I noticed your deeds, and I am impressed. I am starting to get a little bit frightened though, as it is like you are inside my brain. --Cliff Burton Marco 15:58, 20 March 2012 (CET)

Currently experimenting with tables in an attempt to clarify the many types of shops. I aim at eventually removing the lists of individual shops from this article, once all subcategories are crystal clear. --deCarnacT·C 13:41, 6 April 2012 (CEST)

Shop/Special Shop/Lair definitions

One principal question: Should [[Category:Shops]] and [[Category:Lairs]] be mutually exclusive? The answer will determine how Shop can be defined:

  • If exclusive, Shop can be defined as a building with a greyish blue sign. However, that will make [[Category:Special Shops]] span across both Shops and Lairs.
  • Alternatively, Shop can be a building that sell items (or buy them). Then [[Category:Special Shops]] becomes a subset of Shops. Some of them will also be Lairs, creating a Shop/Lair overlap.
  • A third option is to lift out [[Category:Special Shops]] from Shops just to avoid the problem, but that seems anti-intuitive.

I think either way works, but picking one clear definition is good for consistency as more lairs offer items for sale. --deCarnacT·C 13:41, 6 April 2012 (CEST)

Shop/Lair separating solution

Another way: Separating [[Category:Shops]] and [[Category:Lairs]] as per what color their signs are (for clear and easy demarkation):

I prefer that solution. Good I couldn't respond until after you came up with that one :) If you need help changing/replacing the to be re-categorized pages, let me know. There is an wiki extension for that. --Cliff Burton Marco 00:45, 5 May 2012 (CEST)
Good, I'll get on it then :-) About extensions, what do you think about those category trees that one can browse in? I know they require extensions and will add complexity (a potential source of errors that you must fix), so only you can decide if it's worth it. --deCarnacT·C 01:02, 5 May 2012 (CEST)
About the actual separation, I'll wait until we've got a good term for "Public Lairs" (see Category talk:Lairs) before I take [[Category:Special Shops]] apart. That way I can tidy up any pages where they are mentioned all at once. --deCarnacT·C 18:38, 5 May 2012 (CEST)

Tree Extension

Pick one or show me an example you have in mind will help me decide. --Cliff Burton Marco 01:17, 5 May 2012 (CEST)

This one perhaps: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree. Is it worth it? Pro: more powerful navigation. Con: more complex navigation. --deCarnacT·C 01:34, 5 May 2012 (CEST)

Cleaning up the Shops pages

I wanted to start cleaning up the shops pages. I've been taking screen shots of the shops as I find them for AVID, and would like to add those to each page. I'd also like to add what is sold in each shop in some sort of chart, with the prices by level of charisma. Would this be helpful at all for you guys? --Penny talk | character 15:20, 25 June 2012 (CEST)

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Screenshots sounds good! If it's mainly to show the grid look you can also use the {{FakeSquare}} template if you like (example to the right).
Listing all items and prices at each shop page would provide rich info. Since the list would be identical for shops of the same category, we could make price list templates for each category (for scroll shops, potion shops, magic shops respectively). Perhaps those in turn could be based on a common price list template that controls the formatting for all those lists. If something later changes, the template can be edited thereby updating all pages in one go. It could theoretically be a "smart" template that contains price data and does the discount calculations for the items you write as input. What do you think? --deCarnacT·C 11:21, 27 June 2012 (CEST)

Shop movement intervals

I just found something that indicates that not all moving shops move at 12 hour intervals. I have in the last two months seen shops move as expected in both Europe nighttime (ca 22:43 UTC) and daytime (around 10:43 UTC). Today however, I saw Spinners Pawn remain in place from morning to 22:43 UTC. That means the day-move didn't happen, suggesting a 24 hour interval.

I found some old notes from 2005 mentioning that some shops moved at 12 h intervals and some at 24 h intervals. This may of course have changed since then. What have you seen, heard and read about the actual intervals and how they may differ between shop types? I have a hypothesis that I want to test about pawn shops moving only every 24 h, can anyone confirm or refute it? --deCarnacT·C 01:24, 1 August 2012 (CEST)

I sent you an email which shows that, at least from what gets reported, pawn shops don't remain on a location for 24h. --Cliff Burton Marco 20:10, 7 August 2012 (CEST)
Thanks, good to be able to lay an incorrect hypothesis to rest. Odds are I misread the time of my first observation. --deCarnacT·C 20:52, 7 August 2012 (CEST)
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