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The information has been moved to Talk:Ghosting and now back again. 
--Cliff Burton  Marco 00:27, 30 January 2011 (CET)

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Those who are "Ghosts" may disagree with statments made but since they are ghosts in a city of non ghosts their opinions dont really matter. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 20:38, 17 December 2010 (CET)

The above statement really does nothing but show ignorance and does not to add to a productive positive discussion --Miranda Dawn 16:25, 18 December 2010 (CET)

Corrections were in order and have been, well corrected :-P

What it is (section)

"A power only to be bought with 100 credits. Also known as a cloak of invisibility."

“Also known as a cloak of invisibility” has been removed as the vampires with this power have “Ghost” listed among their powers… no where in the power list is it known as anything other than “Ghost” --Miranda Dawn 16:25, 18 December 2010 (CET)

Oh so you know of no one who calls it anything else? Wait, I do, they call it the "cloak of invisibility." --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 00:04, 19 December 2010 (CET)
Alright then, I'll bite, Who else beside you (and Kim) calls the power of Ghost a "cloak of invisibility"? And would these same players also call Stamina... "cloak of endurance" or Shadows... "cloak of darkness or shade"? --Miranda Dawn 00:14, 20 December 2010 (CET)
Well, I'll try my best: Sally, Chairman, Hildy, Helga, Hula, Heidi, and Hedy. Miss Yelp. Dr. Larue, Burt from accounting, Mrs. McGillicuddy, Mr. FarFloogin of the Cloogin FarFloogins. And wasn't there an old guy in a shower? --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 01:11, 20 December 2010 (CET)
Okay, I care less about participating any farther (as Kimberly or Samantha Dawn, tyvm Sharon)Topic is now done since I said what I had to say up above and have nothing more to add on the topic. As for a old guy in a shower...leave V-rex out of this. He isn't here to defend himself. Wow, lighten up y'all. I woke nibble free from one in particular so I am done. Stick a fork in me and call it finished.----Samantha DawnI don't care 01:20, 20 December 2010 (CET)
Thanks for your maturity Sam.... I have added the "cite" tag to the section since you have given no proof to your claim.--Miranda Dawn 14:42, 20 December 2010 (CET)
It's more muture then harassing someones page and ignoring protocall or tags or templates. Which since the above template already says to read the talk page... Your tags are redundent --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 15:50, 20 December 2010 (CET)
I’m not “harassing” as you perfectly well know. I was trying to have a discussion which I should of known by now is impossible to have with you. My bad.
Also, even though you created this page, it is NOT your page. This is a general power page therefore there is no ownership to anyone. --Miranda Dawn 16:53, 20 December 2010 (CET)


Stigma (section)

"For those who use these powers are regarded as cowards who have chosen to hide from attackers for actions that have led to becoming outcasts from the vampire society. Because they can block others they are seen as nothing more then weaklings and are ignored or shunned by most honorable vampires. The few users of this power are vampires who start trouble with others and then hide to avoid attacks or loss of blood. Whatever excuses they give are discredited and unfounded since the city was founded so that a vampire would have to pay for their actions. Since these vampires can ghost they are seen as vampires beyond attack and are no longer considered more then "Ghosts" to the rest of the vampires within the city."

The above has been taken off the page as it is only the opinion of one player… and is not fact. --Miranda Dawn 16:25, 18 December 2010 (CET)

Wrong, this statement was the combination of 20 opinions, but has been resived to be less inflamed --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 00:04, 19 December 2010 (CET)
Ok... so who's opinions are these? Anyone can say... thats what 20, 30, 40 people said etc...I'm very curious who's opinions these are.--Miranda Dawn 00:14, 20 December 2010 (CET)
No one whats to become apart of your witch hunt. And so, all ended well for both Mushi and Sam, and for all in the jungle, even kangaroos. So let that be a lesson to one and to all; a person is a person, no matter how small. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 01:26, 20 December 2010 (CET)
Again mature as always... "cite" tag added to this section as well since no proof was given other wise--Miranda Dawn 14:42, 20 December 2010 (CET)
No anti proof was given. So you don't have any proof I am wrong. Again no one wants to become apart of your "Witch hunts". You have fun toiling over this while I move on with my life and just remember this. "Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 16:27, 20 December 2010 (CET)
I didn’t put something on the page listed as factual that I feel is your opinion only (even though you worded it as the entire RBC community feels this way), therefore I have nothing to prove. It was you that put something on the page that you are stating is fact…I simply asked for proof… its ok, the “cite” tags will hopefully bring others into the discussion for their thoughts on this subject. Though, so far it seems to me not many really give a rats ass about the Ghost power in the first place since it will not be used by many in the city.
Now, unless others can add to a productive discussion I will take my leave. --Miranda Dawn 16:53, 20 December 2010 (CET)
The stigma section has been edited as personal beliefs are not fact, and are subject to change. Facts are not decided by a one vampire polling based on personal opinions, but is decided after scientific fact taking.Shaarinya 15:05, 20 December 2010 (EST)

History (section)

"The power was added in late 2010. †tejas_dragon was the first to be known to use the Ghost ability to block attacks from †Shaarinya and others.

The above history has been corrected on the page…. It was the player behind Shaarinya that communicated with Raven Black regarding the “Ghost” power, The vampire Shaarinya was the first vampire in the city to “ghost” another pire.--Miranda Dawn 16:25, 18 December 2010 (CET)

Thats too bad seeing that I thought Shaarinya was better then Tejas but I see I was wrong. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 00:04, 19 December 2010 (CET)
Mushi, you have no idea of the circumstances resulting in my ability to 'Ghost'. Your comments are personal beliefs, and not not based on fact. When OOC stalking has been carried over into an IC setting, drastic measures must be taken for ones own personal safety. Hence the birth of 'Ghosting'. Shaarinya 12:14, 20 December 2010 (EST)

Open discussion for the reason of ghosting:

What perhaps would suit better on the page is a reason or reasons for some players to get the power of Ghost... most likely the reason for "Ghost"ing another pire would be when a player feels harassed no doubt IC and OOC.

Also perhaps because they don't approve of how another player "plays the game" EX: use of thralls etc.

The player(s) obviously feels strongly enough that they want left alone by another player(s) that they are willing to spend $100.00 in order to stop harassment or interaction (at least on the grid) --Miranda Dawn 16:25, 18 December 2010 (CET)

Lets first examine what happened that made Alexdoh ghost. On 10-6-10 Samantha and I reported all the guilds and most the shops. After doing so someone came into the "View in the dark" and re-reported all shops at the wrong location as "Galamushi and Dawn suck arse" 40 times. After that I contacted Cliff the Admin of both forums. He was able to confirm that the user Alexdoh used the same IP to both log in and make those false reports. The user Alexdoh who also claims to be the vampire Alexdoh was banned from both sights for a week. Before that time Alexdoh had been gone from the city a year or more and both Samantha and I had no contact with him what so ever. Not only had the user Alexdoh logged wrong data this time but several times before as me and others. This can be confirmed by cliff. Seeing this as justified reasons to attack him (Besides the Multi thrall attacks on my main more then a year ago that we ignored attacking him for upon his return) and the loss of time, effort and coins in reporting Guilds & Shops for the city twice. We contacted his sire and family and told them that we would be attacking Alexdoh for his harassment. Soon after our first 2 attacks he faded into shadows and was severed. All above can be found on the "Sam & Mushi Current Events Log” on our pages and can confirm all actions taken here and otherwise. No words otherwise were said to Alexdoh or about Alexdoh to anyone in any floormate other then reporting facts.
After 2 months in shadows he came out to bite our thralls. We attacked him and continued to do so without saying anything to him or in any forum or on the grid. He on the other hand gloated in the papers over zeroing Samantha at 60 pints. Still we said nothing and continued our justified attacks. Alexdoh then blocked us for whatever reasons he thought was necessary to do so. I contact RavenBlack to understand the promoters of the new power and then took a consensus among the 20 elders. I speak to them about what they thought, and what their opinions were on the power of blocking/ghosting. After compiling my data and seeing what they thought about the Stigma section, I created this page and marked it properly as “Disputed,” because I knew that someone would come to harass and change it and so I also marked it as a "Work In Progress". You Miranda Dawn have come and ignored the templates and have projected your opinions without any research or understanding of the events nor the data that was collected. This page was discussed and if those people wish to come here and voice there opinions they will but most wont because of harassment like this. Your revisions will be noted and undone until such time as the page has been untouched for a week as the "Work In Progress" Templates asks and the "Disputed" template indicates. Thank you for your opinions here on the talk page. Until otherwise found that no edits have been done in a week or you have useful data to contribute please don’t make any changes to the main page. Thank you. All statement here can be verified by those mentioned and a picture is posted of the harassment that started the attacks that Alexdoh provoked. http://img259.imageshack.us/f/picture149s.jpg/
In my opinion Alexdoh as well as anyone with this power is far worse then I stated of the compiled opinions. He is a ghost and is no longer a vampire and so I do not acknowledge him to even exist. In my opinion he is a little whinny baby that couldn't take the heat and didn't want to loose his blood or escape attacks by going pink or blue as most vampires would do. He provoked us and he got burned for it. He is the moron who paid 100 credits to have a power put on not just because he's a coward but because he'll provoke others in the future and can use his unfair power to escape attack from them too. He will continue to harass others as he is widely noted for doing and will continue to "Ghost" them to protect his blood. His weapon of choice is not action but harassment with words. I would've had a shred or respect left if he had fought it out said he was sorry or went pink but since he didn't take any of those options and took the most cowardly way out a person could... I hope people will see him for what he is. I am sorry if you don’t agree with the Stigma part but be rest assured people who use it that cause the trouble to begin with or who use it to escape justice will be seen by most as outcasts and shunned. Thanks for your corrections. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 23:22, 18 December 2010 (CET)
All I can say is I honestly believe he wasted money ignoring my vampire on the grid. I would have done it for free if he simply asked. Since he has blocked my main vampire he continues to bite known vampires I control running under the same ID as the main vampire that he is now ghosted from. Most recent as today in fact. A screenie is available of several of these actions if desired. I rarely bite or rob to avoid the conflict with crossing and of course jailing. So the effort to use a vampire you invested 100 dollars in to ignore a player altogether to still attempt contact through other vampires that player runs seems a bit odd for someone who feels so harassed by me or my presence on a grid. It doesn't say a lot for the "harassed" or "intimidated" or "choose to ignore" theories above suggested let alone the true desire of said player who paid to ignore me for the reasons he claimed.
I say RavenBlack has been the winner in this deal and Alexdoh is still seeking what he paid an 100 dollars for. With his continued nipping at my vampires with his main after he put the money in Raven Black's pocket one thing is certain, he has still not achieved what he truly wanted out of this deal. I will not participate in the name calling, disrespecting OOC of other players here. I only wanted to add information that could help all involved in this whole topic and shed some light as to the true intentions or purpose the player behind Alexdoh had in ghosting any vampire on the grid. He doesnt seem to feel harassed to me if he continues to bite. There are a few, without naming names, that I would note bite, sit next to or rob for such a reason. Pay a hundred dollars to ignore you or your vampire? Never. Pay a hundred to ignore you or your vampire because I am intimidated by you or feel harassed, then sign in and go move on my own effort and bite your ass? Odd isn't it? ----Samantha DawnI don't care 01:19, 19 December 2010 (CET)
Thats because he did it to harass. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 01:21, 19 December 2010 (CET)
Ghosting is not for everyday usage. It is an extreme solution, for an extreme situation. When a vampire finds themselves attacked daily for months on end, while they themselves are ignoring the attacker, a solution must be provided. Excessive harassment via the usage of continuous attacks for 'perceived personal wrongs', over prolonged periods of time, is wrong. Your personal opinion, Mushi, on Ghosting is not fact, and is an opinion only. All opinions are subject to personal beliefs. Therefore, I have corrected the 'Stigma' section, and I have also corrected the 'Special Notes section', as it was inaccurate. If in fact the 'Ghostee' was the reason for the ghosting in the first place, and continues with inner city attacks with thralls, they will be subject to the 'teamwork/cloning' rule, and will be DFC regardless of whether or not they approve of being ghosted. This is as per RavenBlack. Shaarinya 12:48, 20 December 2010 (EST)
So, being the second one to use the Ghosting ability I thought I'd throw my two cents into the discussion on this, The postings that I changed Sam/Galamushi were -incorrect- before I changed them and when I arrived at those locations coin in hand for the guild, I was greeted and robbed by one of your alts. Annoyed at being tricked by such a silly mistake I changed them to stop anyone else falling victim to your trap. I am pretty certain a log is kept of previous posts and I am sure cliff can confirm that the set of postings made before I changed it were not correct. I openly admit I changed it and faced my 1 week ban from the wiki without a problem. You and Samantha attacking me over the fact I called you arses for posting the wrong locations I had no problem with, as the same goes for being zeroed, but the fact you ignore the general concesus of RB that black blooding to keep yourself above hitting blood is not the way to do things, I played into your games to start and let you drain off some blood to let your anger out and after spending -months- waiting for you to get bored I decided the only course left to stop you harassing Alexdoh was ghosting. Even then you started changing my wiki and tried to get RB to delete Alexdoh, all of which RB ignored, I am not quite sure how Alexdoh biting your alts factors into this at all as I do not keep a log of what alts you use when I am moving him around and biting for blood as you have boasted many times you have -hundreds- of alts. You have even used alts to displace Alexdoh out of pubs for no reason which goes against RB's rule of working as a team. You certainly aren't one to follow the rules you seem to espouse so much to everyone else.
Its strange that you try to make me out to be the one stalking you and yet I am the one trying to actively get away from you whether it was IC as Alexdoh or OOC as Alex. There has been no stigma at all from players or characters themselves. It has not changed my ability to interact and enjoy the game again with other people. It still reads to everyone else in the city that "The vampire Alexdoh has drunk x amount of pints" and is treated as much by the population as the same, There has not been a single case of a person refusing to acknowledge Alexdoh as a vampire or even a negative stigma attached when the power has been discussed in papers (I am sure that counts as a larger percentage of people who actually play the game as opposed to those 20 "elders" you seemed vague on listing) I think for most they view Ghosting as an OOC power, which limits the impact or stigma that can be attached to the character in the city itself, which would explain why it is not viewable when you second sight other players. This is of course my two cents on the matter. Alexdoh Talk|Character 13:38, 30 January 2011 (CET)
You changed all locations on all shops to "Galamushi and Dawn Suck Ass". You lie and your a liar. No one believes you. If it wasn't true then you wouldn't have been banned by clif who can see the logs and all our shop and guild location were correct. You lie and you are nothing but a ghost anyways. Your claims are unfounded and your facts are made up. End of story. The 10 or 20 pints a day we gain from having open bitter links in no way impacts your ability to fight us nor does it keep us from being zeroed. What you have a problem with is that we chase vampire hunters and more often then not gain 200+ pints. Your claim that you were robbed is again a made up story because most of the time we dont rob and as you said we have a lot of thralls. Well we dont have the time to sit around and wait for the possiblity that someone would come let alone in more then one location. Your just out of your mind. Didn't think that lie threw did you. As for being displaced out of a pub we own... I don't like you, want nothing to do with you and I don't want you in MY pub, so you were displaced by the thralls that live there. You have had a hard on for me before I even know of you. Whatever your issue is I wish you would take some meds and choke on them. What ever helps shut you up and get over your obbsesion with me. Also, you are so blind that if you were being rejected you wouldn't even know it was going on. As for RB, you have no idea what I discuss with RB and it's none of your bussness but I do know he wouldn't tell a little pissant like you what he discusses with others just as he would with anyone. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 20:22, 30 January 2011 (CET)

First of all, I do not check if the postings that are made on AVITD are correct. So I do not know if those postings that were posted before your vandalism were incorrect, Alex. I am a strong believer that the open design without a restriction by password is the way, and that false postings will be noticed and corrected by others. If anyone is posting wrong information (no matter for what reason, though your claims are interesting) and I get information about that, than this person will get her/his pay. You can interpret this as an IC reaction of †cliffburton running an independent information business, like a paper if you want, I don't care. But I/†cliffburton will do something about that behavior, definitely! I do not favor anyone here, I do not care about having received donations or how much contributions someone made. You all have use of the two sites that I run for some years now, I have to pay for it every month and no matter what my personal OOC/RL challenges are, I never begged for money or complained. But every now and then it happens, that two parties who are getting annoyed by each other, something that started in a (sorry to say that) silly game (in comparison to RL problems), fight over unimportant things or so called facts which are subjective anyways. And then you start hating each other even OOC and you play games on that level. I recently lost a good friend which hanged himself aged only 32, at that time I watched The Pacific, do not forget that I am German, we friggin' invented that damn war... and seeing all that shit that happens in a war.. the old fellas that survived and were interviewed at the end of each episode... every single one of them asked himself... "why me? why did I survive and so many good men didn't?".. that, and the loss of my dear friend.. made me cry the first time in over 20 years. If you guys would be stuck in such a situation, as those soldiers where, or if you would be the family at home and got message that your son has died in the war.. you probably would help each other.. no EFFING matter what you think or gonna say now. And if you are sure that you aren't, than I am asking to leave the wiki. Just go. You won't be missed by me. I am talking to both sides. I repeat my self over and over again... it is like religion.. if both sides have a strong believe in opposite religions, they most definitely won't find peace. How should anyone out there reading your shit (yeah, that is me getting angry), know what is true and what is not, when all can be faked and everybody who plays RP is in fact a liar anyways, as this is part of the game. I do not see much people (anyone?) but me, that have a RL picture in their profile and behaving IC like OOC. I am wondering how much crap RB eats every week. Every time when I have to decide which I do not by choosing a side, BOTH opponents send me e-mails, that now I have sold my soul, that I am not neutral anymore... some speak from "listening to your new friends".. when in fact, the only side I took was mine, in the hope to make a decision to help the projects I run, which I do for you guys out there.. I do not need all this information, my character cliff has all the powers he needs, and I do not RP him very much. For me it is just nice to be able to give something back to the society.. which I sometimes wonder what is it made out of. But it is nice to get a thank you every now and then, and this is worth it most of the time. Right now, I am pissed.. You should really put some deep thoughts into what you are going to say to me next! --Cliff Burton Marco 21:01, 30 January 2011 (CET)

P.S. I protected the page temporarely so I won't get disturbed writing this sad words.

Sam. This is a discussion over the usage of the Ghost power. not a personal bitching match for you. You don't want to know me, I don't want to know you. I didn't insult you once in my reply, only my side of the story.
Marco, I think minus RB you've brought more to this game than anyone else and I don't think anyone could match that regardless of donations or the amount of pubs they buy. I honestly feel ashamed that mine and Sams disagreements spilled into here and have been trying to make amends since those postings in Oct and hope to offer nothing but thanks (and occasional questions on how to do things) Alexdoh Talk|Character 00:51, 31 January 2011 (CET)

The Ghoster and Ghostee

This will be changed you liar. You ghosted me Miranda Dawn. You spent your money to ghost me not I you. Try to play it anyway you want I wouldn't give up the chance to hit you for a million dollars you dumb fotzbear. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 23:49, 23 February 2011 (CET)

I have ghosted NO one... I would like a mod to take care of this as I do not feel ooc name calling is appropriate here not to mention this isnt the first time I have been verbally assaulted by Sam

I tried to SS the vampire Lord Galamushi only to be directed to my own stat page... I have no idea when my vampire was ghosted by Sam, it was only noticed this morning when I tried to SS him since his vampire is attacking Miranda's childe. --Miranda Dawn 23:56, 23 February 2011 (CET)

Oh so you just came upon the idea that I ghosted you who sold coins and locked your house. Sorry I am not the one who spent $150 to become a sad little person. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 23:59, 23 February 2011 (CET)

When I sell coins it will be to update the entire game not to remove the pleasure of attacking a moron like you. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 00:02, 24 February 2011 (CET)
Again I tried to SS the vampire Lord Galamushi this morning, only to be directed back to Miranda's stat page...and yes I locked up the house... its not a secret... but funny how you knew that, guess you tried to get one of your alts that hangs around into the house?
And no Cliff I'm not starting trouble I just stated a fact on the wiki ghost page and I'm still requesting a mod to handle the ooc name calling.--Miranda Dawn 00:09, 24 February 2011 (CET)
There is one easy way to solve this problem... You both could let me log in as you main vampire and let me see whats to see. But I honestly don't want to find something out I do not wanna do. And with that I mean excuses if one makes fals claimes.. Everything else I have to say is said already. --Cliff Burton Marco 00:14, 24 February 2011 (CET)
You can log into me. I trust you. I also have screen shots that prove she's a liar. Donation Menu Lord Galamushi main and Miranda Deleted. So we only need him to log into me to prove your a liar Miranda and then the page will be fixed since you so wanted it to be known who ghosted who for all time. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 00:29, 24 February 2011 (CET)
I have let Marco log into Miranda and he seen Lord Galamushi (or anyone else for that matter) has not been ghosted. I had nothing to hide either nor am I a lier --Miranda Dawn 00:56, 24 February 2011 (CET)
He has seen my vampire too which doesn't display the power ghosting on it unlike yours which clearly lists ghost among the powers. So logic follows that since I can't SS you and you can't SS me but that I have a normal vampire and you have the ghost power... You ghosted me. According to your last revisions proves you are a liar or tried to be. At least Alexdoh didn't try denie it like you and then record facts wrong. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 01:07, 24 February 2011 (CET)
Marco seen there are NO names on the list to be ghosted YET, therefore I have ghosted no one at this time--Miranda Dawn 01:11, 24 February 2011 (CET)
Weak. I see you also locked your house when you ghosted me. Go get Alexdoh or Shaar to explain how it works since you can only lie. I'll go ask RavenBlack. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 01:21, 24 February 2011 (CET)
What I have to say about my look into the accounts
  • Miranda Dawn has the power Ghost.
  • Lord Galamushi does not have the power Ghost.
  • I couldn't find "a" list.. if the harrasment list is the same than ghost, I at least couldn't see anyone on Miranda's list. But I can't say if this works together with ghost or if there will be shown a list.
  • In my understanding the harrasment list is not Ghost (at least alone).
  • Lord Galamushi can not SS Miranda Dawn.
  • Miranda Dawn can not SS Lord Galamushi.
  • Lord Galamushi can not SS Alexdoh.
  • Miranda Dawn can SS Alexdoh.
  • Cliff Burton can SS each of them three.
  • If there is no list for Ghost that can be shown, than it can't be proven w/o RB, that Miranda Dawn Ghosted Lord Galamushi.
  • I also assume that, if Lord Galamushi had Ghost and did Ghost Miranda Dawn, then had RB remove Ghost as power, that it would have gone with it. But that's an assumption, it still coud be, that the state of Ghost could have stayed though the removal of the power itself.

--Cliff Burton Marco 01:33, 24 February 2011 (CET)


Marco, when I inquired to RB about the mechanics of ghost here is what he told me about the list. It is a shared list with the harassing message list. You seen and verfied there were no names on Miranda Dawn's list therefore no one has been ghosted by her at this time. This appears to be a game glitch. (see RB info below)

Ghosting gives you the ability to ghost from any number of vampires at will, but unlike the access list, once a vampire's on there it can't be removed. You can "activate" the ghost power whenever you like, since the power doesn't do anything until you add vampires to your block list (if you have vampires message-blocked for harassment already you might want to unblock them first, since the block list is shared and you won't be able to unblock once you have the ghosting power).

Anyone with the ghost power can verify this information to be true as well. --Miranda Dawn 01:49, 24 February 2011 (CET)

I had you blocked from "herassing messages". Now that I removed you I can SS you again. But you still have the power Ghost. Thanks for the clearification. --Lord Galamushidon't talk to me 02:09, 24 February 2011 (CET)

You both were right, you both were wrong. I learned my lesson and it proofes (prooves?) that I am wasting my time because people aren't able to think before they shoot.. or shoot back. Yes, one started it.. And in my book that is worse than shooting back, but that doesn't mean that it is good either. Thanks for having me wasting my time. --Cliff Burton Marco 02:13, 24 February 2011 (CET)

I hope this discussion has an end now. --Cliff Burton Marco 02:14, 24 February 2011 (CET)

It is for me... thanks!--Miranda Dawn 02:40, 24 February 2011 (CET)

The bug

It has been awhile since the controversy came up and no one cared to explain that there was a bug. I am going in the process of describing what actually happened without the intention to offend anyone. So, I hope no one of those who are going to be mentioned is getting pissed, because I am trying to explain things the way I would explain it to myself.

The motivation is to set things straight as I was involved in this more than I liked, I want this thing to be settled. Furthermore, In my opinion. What is far more interesting is, that a lack of interest in correcting bugs or testing new implemented code by the programmer himself (known as Raven Black), has that much of an impact to those who play it. People who actually pay him for getting things in the city.

And the funny thing about this is, that you guys and gals ask him to punish those who use such bugs to their advantage. If it would be canon, if it would be part of the rules to play the game to find these bugs and use them, you wouldn't make such a buzz about it. Instead of fighting each other, or asking RB to punish those, you should ask yourself how ignorant and respectful RB treads you. He doesn't even care to mention anything anymore, or even apologize. And you all pay so much. He is a lucky sonuvagun. I wish I have had his idea of creating the game then. Though I hope that interacting with so much bitching of you people wouldn't have changed me the way RB acts (now). Maybe he once was a nice caring guy. Or still is, just not with this community.

Back to the subject.

I read the thread on The RavenBlack Bite that followed this discussion, but as there is bias I will do my best to keep this as neutral as it can be. Always keep in mind that it is about the bug and what happend. It is NOT how actions by players should have to interpreted, like IC, OOC, jumping walls etc. It should explain how it could happen, how it was discovered, by whom (also, NOT moralizing the action), how long it took to get fixed.

I just created [[Category:Game Programming Bugs]] for listing those bugs that where found in the past and possible new found ones.

If anyone is able to help me with the development, I would be glad. Anyone who can't respect my wishes of keeping her/his emotions out of this or even offends others will get banned. I respect you, respecting me is what I expect from you.


How I understand how the bug was discovered

1. RB coded the Block harassing messages function.

(Speaking of RB's interest to assure "quality of service". Though English is a foreign language to me, I think harassing is spelled like I just did. :) )

Click here to block harrassing messages.

2. RB coded the Ghost function and had a bug in it.

Somehow, it was possible to "ghost" and "unghost" other vampires by adding and removing others to the harassment list without even having coding skills or manipulating the url.

What I am not sure about is, if this was generally possible for everyone or if this was only possible under certain circumstances, like.. if someone was already on the harassment list, while RB added Ghost into the source code.

3. Someone (vampire) was added to someone elses harassment blocking list and had him also ghosted without even knowing so.

As the discussion on this page was part of it, I try to explain it with the involved players and their vampire characters.

The player of †Lord Galamushi didn't realize that he could ghost and unghost vampires/characters of other players at first, maybe until the discussion on the wiki had him to figure it out. This involved a lot of accusations and emotion triggering which was even pitched by the nature of this community to mix up IC and OOC and might have give him the final clue to understand.

What I am not sure about is that it could be (let your emotions rest) that LG's player figured it out before the discussion started. What I am also not sure about is at which point he used it to his advantage (and how big his motivation was to use it). This would be for him to explain, if he ever wishes. But that is not what it is about. This is no trial. This has been discussed enough already.

My personal thoughts regarding Sam

Interesting enough is that Sam (LG's player) has explained that he put a specific other players vampire character on his vampire characters harassment list and that he hasn't ghosted anyone, if your definition is that you "buy ghost" and use it the way the rulemaker intended it. But let your emotions rest. that's splitting hairs. You could deal with it by laughing with him instead of fighting him personally, which is giving yourself a bad time. I am not giving you orders, it is just a healthier option. This doesn't even depends on if you like the other person. You even can keep it to yourself. Shhh, a Secret!!! :P Other options are, what has been suggested, that you can decide to avoid the player personally/OOC or/and his character(s)/IC. This can include the blocking of his Y!M account(s).

Fangs, --Cliff Burton Marco 21:16, 1 June 2011 (CEST)

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and will result in being jailed 

How is this Rped? Is there scary †RavenBlack coming along, saying something like "Dummdeedumm, you-a were-a bad-a girl-a/guy. I am-a gonna put-a you into the jail-a." ? I doubt that the big sucker does that. That is a question that makes me laugh. --Cliff Burton Marco 21:34, 1 June 2011 (CEST)

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