Talk:Relationship
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Sire/childe relationship
Something is missing. A sire is a vampire that bit and made another vampire. This is his maker. But.. the new vampire can be severed from his sire. And then the vampire can be sired by an other vampire. But still.. his maker stays his maker. Right? I mean, you guys RP, do you have a term for that. And something that explains this everlasting fact? Eager to read. --Cliff Burton • Marco 21:19, 2 February 2011 (CET)
(Added:) Funny that this is not what "Master Vampire" stands for. I'd called a vampire without a "boss" (to prevent the terms master and sire) a ronin. Like the samurai without a master. --Cliff Burton • Marco 21:27, 2 February 2011 (CET)
- Yes, when a human is bitten by a vampire and turned, the vampire becomes the human's "maker". The new vampire can cut his/her ties with his/her maker, which would indefinitely cut any connections he/she has with the original vampire. Later, the new vampire can be sired by another, which more commonly referred to as "adopting" but yes, the maker remains the maker. --Bry talk † vamp 14:46, 3 February 2011 (CET)
- The person that turned the other vampire would be their 'true' sire, but given severing costs such an amount of blood a case could be made for the vampire in question trying to remove all trace of the one that turned them. And then future sires are adopted ones and possibly doing similar blood bonds to an originally siring, just with the whole already a vampire bit. Or simple adoption. I think the problem is that there is no consensus for a word that means 'the person that turned the human into a vampire'. Which would clear up the situation easily. Nor can I think of a word that would mean that. A master vampire is, in my opinion, one that has struck out on their own via the above cutting of ties since I have dim recollections that years ago there was no way to start as a master vampire and the easiest way to do so was make a thrall, use the biter link to make your new vampire, and then not touch the thrall again so they'd be deleted for inactivity. I know you don't need to do that now. Morgrim 01:47, 3 February 2011 (CET)
- There is an option to make a master vamp directly, though I don't know what the link for that is. Or just use the biter link of a D&B vamp. As for the Maker, I generally refer to it as "the one who turned [vamp]". Some people give it importance, while others not. People tend to remember who turned their characters, but I get the feeling that some don't see the original sire as any more important than the second or third or whatever, compared to any current sire. Depends on how it's RPed. I've personally downplayed the importance of the original sire for my vamps, mostly because they were incompatible or bad choices that the charrie (or I) would've rather forgotten. --Cora
-talk | vamp- 01:55, 3 February 2011 (CET)
- And yet, here we go, including me, calling this vampire "Maker"... stoopid me. Can't see the forest because of all the trees in front of me :).. But Ronin sounds cool, too.
- About creating a vampire w/o a master/maker.. Is this really a problem? Maybe you should try an other browser, clear all cookies from ravenblack.net... shouldn't that work? Or has "He.. The Artist formerly known as .. I-dunno-what-his-name-was-before-he-was-black-as-a-black-bird-but-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-sony-muscic"... has he meddled with the code? --Cliff Burton • Marco 05:04, 3 February 2011 (CET)
- There is an option to make a master vamp directly, though I don't know what the link for that is. Or just use the biter link of a D&B vamp. As for the Maker, I generally refer to it as "the one who turned [vamp]". Some people give it importance, while others not. People tend to remember who turned their characters, but I get the feeling that some don't see the original sire as any more important than the second or third or whatever, compared to any current sire. Depends on how it's RPed. I've personally downplayed the importance of the original sire for my vamps, mostly because they were incompatible or bad choices that the charrie (or I) would've rather forgotten. --Cora
-talk | vamp- 01:55, 3 February 2011 (CET)
- You certainly can make a master vampire character now, both my current accounts are. I'm saying that in the dim and foggy reaches of my memory I'm not sure you could 5 years ago. Rp-wise, someone has to have turned the character, but that doesn't mean the character even knows who it is. 'Maker' works for me as a word to describe the original vampire that did the embrace, and if another word gets adopted by the masses it's easy enough to edit the article. Or am I missing the point of the question here? Morgrim 09:07, 3 February 2011 (CET)
- I am not trying to define a new term. I was just curious, that's all. --Cliff Burton • Marco 10:19, 3 February 2011 (CET)
- You can easily make a master vampire account (clearing cookies and/or using a biter link of a nonexistent vampire, should you choose to use a biter link at all) and it's been possible to do so for many years now. I can't speak for the years before I found out about The Dark Alleyway, but I've never noticed an inability to have accounts as master vampires. Using the biter link of a vampire that's Dead and Buried or Jailed still works, too - just because they have either status doesn't mean that using their biter link won't yield results. They would've had to disable their biter link first. If there was a period of time where directly making a master vampire was impossible, that must have had an interesting impact on the way the game was played. In regard to the terms Maker and Sire, I believe that the Maker is a vampire's creator and the Sire is whomever the vampire's current sire is, so a maker may be a sire but a sire may not necessarily be a Maker. -- G/Upir Talk 12:45, 3 February 2011 (CET)
- I know for a fact there was a way to start as a master vampire in the Way Long Back Ago, because I did it (however unintentionally). It looks like now the game defaults to a new vampire being sired by RavenBlack in lieu of an actual biter link (though that could just be my browser cookies messing with me), but back when I first started playing, if you just went to the bare URL without a biter tagged to the end of it, it let you sign up as a master vampire, sireless from the get-go. As for the main topic, though...I don't think there's really a separate term for the adopted sire and the "biological" one. It looks like people don't really care about the distinction for the day-to-day, but when they're specifically talking about it (like now), they just go out of their way to make themselves understood.--~der Tote Talk | Character 11:58, 4 February 2011 (CET)
- Master Biter Link You can it says this... You have an opportunity to become an original vampire; no master for you, no sire, you will be in charge. Then they'll see. --Lord Galamushi • don't talk to me 05:14, 5 February 2011 (CET)
- That link only works if you do not have a biter link set previously however, clearing your cookies (as I think it's been said before) will enable the use of that link. --Bry talk † vamp 13:43, 5 February 2011 (CET)
- I didn't rest my cookies. I did have RavenBlack at first but if you put in the link a few times it will come up as a master vampire. As for long ago. When I entered the game before the city was built... I don't recall a sire at all. I do recall getting over a thousand pints from spamming my link but that was another name and a long time ago. --Lord Galamushi • don't talk to me 15:30, 5 February 2011 (CET)
- That link only works if you do not have a biter link set previously however, clearing your cookies (as I think it's been said before) will enable the use of that link. --Bry talk † vamp 13:43, 5 February 2011 (CET)
- Master Biter Link You can it says this... You have an opportunity to become an original vampire; no master for you, no sire, you will be in charge. Then they'll see. --Lord Galamushi • don't talk to me 05:14, 5 February 2011 (CET)
